Does your school effectively discipline misbehaving students?

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Great Teachers' Ways & School Discipline

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Your principal was right. She

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Your principal was right. She didn't step in because she cannot fix your classroom management for you. She should give you suggestions, however if your allowing students to throw things and sitting waiting on her to do something about it your badly mistaken in choosing education as a profession. You as the teacher want the power in controlling classroom behavior. If you depend on someone else you might as well be wearing a shirt that says "pick on me I'm an easy target". At least 80% of teaching is classroom managment and that comes from the teacher. Administrators are for hardcore discipline problems such as drugs, fights, skipping school. I as a teacher want that child to know I can and will handle them with a smile on my face. It would insult me for anyone to come in and try to control my room for me. On top of that if they did have to it would be a sign that my classroom management sucks.

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I'm an administrator and I will tell you exactly why she didn't stop the kids from disrupting your class. First of all ask yourself why did you allow such an environment to begin with? Secondly, no one and I mean no one but you can correct your classroom environment for you. 80 to 90 percent of teaching is classroom management. If you sit and wait on someone else to manage your classroom for you, then you do not need to be in the field of education. Your principal was right on. Now I don't know if she did or not but she should have offered you advice, but if you are allowing students to throw things in class she probably had given up on you already. I know it wouldn't take me long to get you out of the door either. Administrators are for hardcore discipline, not for managing a teacher's individual classroom. If they have to do that for you they don't need you.

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Amen. I agree. At our school we get blamed for not being proactive enough. Translation: administration doesn't want to deal with discipline.

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Kids are born "wicked" ...says God

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The lawmakers of our country have overlooked the rules of raising children written in the BIBLE. Children are BORN WICKED as they do not belong to God until they except Jesus Christ. Lord God says for parents NOT TO SPARE THE ROD, or to spank them while they are young to cause them to obey. This is the manual of operation to cause children to obey.

Today, when children know the law, that if they have red and/or blue marks on their skin and present it to a peace officer (police) that the parent will go to jail if the child states an adult caused the marks.

This places children in control of consequences that are most effective. The idea that a child gets to "decide his own punishment" is akin to allowing a murderer decide his fate after getting caught doing a bad thing....murder. GOD says "an eye for an eye.... if you live by the sword you shall die by the sword. There are no choices for the evildoer. Satan will be thrown into the Lake of Fire, he has no choice in the matter.

Kids need to be disciplined by their parents FIRST and know the consequences of misbehavin' with a teacher. Parents simply need to stick around during the first 30 minutes their child is placed in a school setting, and when a teacher calls for help, the parent is there to issue consequences, immediately and directly associated with the act of misbehavin'.

In the early days of American History, the school master had a tree branch and a license to use it, as the parents were on the farm working all day, and the school teacher had two options, place silly cap on a child's head and tell them to sit in a corner or get hit with the branch. Children learned lessons, obeyed authority and became the great parents us 70+ generation are today.

The young parents of today are at a legal disadvantage, no spankings, no telephone cords, no tree branches and the police could take us to jail and cause us to lose our jobs for child endangerment and abuse.

It is no surprise when a parent releases their child to social services, juvenile hall or creates conditions that the child simply leaves home. Some parents kill their children, lock them in closets and do all sorts of ugly things to get a child to obey behind the silly laws that prohibit a parent from raising THEIR CHILD to OBEY.

IN SHORT: The laws must be changed to allow parents to use reasonable force, like belts, to cause their children to obey.

When a child is bored and "being good" is not a form of entertainment, evil spills out of their pores. Only painful consequences keeps the soul in check to be patient, and boredom will subside by simply participating in class-directed activities.

7th grade language arts teacher in Elizabeth, CO

Well said, Leonard!

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Well said, Leonard Isenberg! I also believe this causes many discipline problems. No one likes to feel frustrated, or let's face it, stupid. This is exactly what happens in many classrooms. RTI and differentiation are supposed to "fix" this problem, but with 30 kids in a classroom it's still a difficult situation.

AMEN! I totally agree.

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AMEN! I totally agree. Without the help of the administration teachers must spend way too much time with behavior issues. You are right on about the parents role as well. My motto is "I like to meet the parents so I know how to forgive the child."

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The middle school where I teach is very similar in the second chance approach. We have the rules and consequences which we review each year. However, in our building, if there is disruptive behavior teacher must make contact the parents and attempt to resolve the problem before we can send them to the office. Making contact or getting a parent response often takes days. The consequences, if any, are far removed from the behavior. In the meantime the student feels they have won. Our system puts more and more responsibility on the teacher with less support from the adminisratiion.

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Nearly half of my students had serious behavior issues in my classroom. The principal would come to observe me and would just watch them disrupt the classroom - over and over again. She never stepped in to help me correct the behaviors. At any time in the day these students were fighting, throwing things, yelling at each other, self-mutilating - why would the kids behave when she was not in the room if they got away with it while she was? When I sent them to her office, she would pit them against me and argue with me about it. Consequences were few, if any. She finally stepped in after she forced me to resign from the school system or she would fire me - but it was too late.

I do have to say that I loved my students and they loved me. On the last day, there were many tears when we said goodbye. I walked away from my first year experience needing to heal, but ready to start fresh. It was the hardest learning experience I have had (I changed careers to teach) - but I still am passionate about being a good teacher. I take responsibility for managing my classroom and I realize that I have to be much tougher during those first weeks. Maybe next year I'll get that chance.....

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Our school is also trying to recognize positive behavior rather than negative. The names of students that a teacher observes displaying a postive behavior are placed in a bucket and each week a name is pulled and that student gets to pick a prize. Consequences for negative behavior are not very consistent.
Lynn

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