This amuses me. I'm a13 year old and I'm listening to you people complain about grindin. I guess some people just don't get to experience that...to bad you just might like it
While I agree that schools should clear boundaries on what's permissible inside school complex, they should not try to curtail freedom of the students. We as humans are very susceptible to doing what we are told not to do. So, putting a lot of restrictions for a dancing event might seem desirable in short term, its not a good long term solution. Moreover, schools can't be the only institution responsible to teach students on how to behave. Parents should step up and do their part too in teaching what is socially acceptable and what is not.
I am glad to see I am in majority=) I think that it is not necessary to commit deeds and categorical prohibit relaxation in their spare time. Because the line of separating the provocative dance of normal may be extremely thin. All one way or another, must depend on the teachers.
I figure I'll throw my idea out there, since I'm only recently 18 and still in high-school myself. I've been to these dances and seen this behavior and while I think it demeaning for both dancers the majority of people I've seen performing such behavior do not act in such a manner off the dance floor. When I first observed who was doing it at a previous year's homecoming, I realized that he was one of my close friends: a gentleman who was always polite and friendly to people he met but also respectful and courteous to women in general. Also, though I don't like to admit it, she also seemed to be enjoying it so I believe it may just be a way for them to release the tension of their lives while satisfying their perceived need for some sexual expression. I, myself, have never found it to be at all interesting or worthy of my time to perform such acts myself: I mostly spend my time dancing, that's why I paid to come after all! But it is perhaps a necessary outlet. It is my belief that it needs to be further monitored to a point since it is my believe also that if not for this expression, it may come out in worse ways such as more of the couples leaving the designated area to be alone and possibly create moral dilemmas.
In this age of accountability, state standards, data collection, teacher reflection, and rapidly changing technological literacy is it really that important to have school dances? I have yet to see any state standards that include the words "Students will have the ability to identify and describe awesome dance moves."
Prom seems reasonable as a celebration of 3 or 4 years work, but teachers have enough on their plates. Let's focus on why we have schools and cut what doesn't work. Unless you are assessing their grinding and groping as an kinesthetic expression of, say, the War of 1812 get rid of it.
Not even a real question. Absolutely monitor and control!
Allowing teen boys to rub their genitals on the rear end of a teen girl, while the other boys are watching like lions watch their next meal, has some bad stuff brewing. In some cases I've heard (and seen) boys just grab on some girl and grind on her as if he was entitled to assault any female in his range. Complaints from the girls pretty much say that too often young males are not really young men but selfish boys who still need to mature - although many men never grow out of this stage(women suffer from this too). The safe outlet and alternative to avoid this destructive sex play has always been directed activities to burn up that energy.
There is a free web site to help sort out and share ideas for administrators faced with the challenges of staging a school dance these days. Check it out....it has a do not play list, preferred play list and directory of responsible DJs in your area. www.schooldancenetwork.com
I chaperone dances all the time, and I am one of the few teachers that will get on the dance floor and regulate behavior. I use humor to get them to chill their moves. I tell them that they can only get as low as my knees will go...and I demonstrate. They usually get a kick out of that. If I see a young man and young woman creating too much friction, I usually go up to the lady and tell her that the gentleman doesn't like it when you rub against him like that. They laugh and get the hint. And I always tell the females to "BE A LADY." These kids just need reminding, and it is our job to be the voice in their heads until they are able to do it themselves. The biggest problem I see is most adults assume nothing can be done...so they do nothing, and then these young people never hear or see appropriate models of behavior. Do I have to tell some of them more than once...sure, but they know Mrs. CJ is on the floor and she will come around and bust a move with them and remind them of how to dance and have a good time with dignity!
I don't believe it is totally "shocking" to us when students imitate adults- in any way. Today it's almost an "anything goes" policy in schools.
Admins hands are tied by boards and parents etc.
Morals and values are culturally different so on.
So where do you draw the line?...further and further until someone is having sex on the dance floor and you cry out that is outrageous behavior! Why didn't someone stop them?
Get into reality and educators please step up and do something.
Would you let someone choke? Would you let someone take drugs in front of you. Would you let someone bully another student?
Maybe you would say well maybe.... then maybe think about if you should really be an educator.
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This amuses me. I'm a13 year old and I'm listening to you people complain about grindin. I guess some people just don't get to experience that...to bad you just might like it
Can't micromanage
While I agree that schools should clear boundaries on what's permissible inside school complex, they should not try to curtail freedom of the students. We as humans are very susceptible to doing what we are told not to do. So, putting a lot of restrictions for a dancing event might seem desirable in short term, its not a good long term solution. Moreover, schools can't be the only institution responsible to teach students on how to behave. Parents should step up and do their part too in teaching what is socially acceptable and what is not.
I am glad to see I am in
I am glad to see I am in majority=) I think that it is not necessary to commit deeds and categorical prohibit relaxation in their spare time. Because the line of separating the provocative dance of normal may be extremely thin. All one way or another, must depend on the teachers.
Seen it myself
I figure I'll throw my idea out there, since I'm only recently 18 and still in high-school myself. I've been to these dances and seen this behavior and while I think it demeaning for both dancers the majority of people I've seen performing such behavior do not act in such a manner off the dance floor. When I first observed who was doing it at a previous year's homecoming, I realized that he was one of my close friends: a gentleman who was always polite and friendly to people he met but also respectful and courteous to women in general. Also, though I don't like to admit it, she also seemed to be enjoying it so I believe it may just be a way for them to release the tension of their lives while satisfying their perceived need for some sexual expression. I, myself, have never found it to be at all interesting or worthy of my time to perform such acts myself: I mostly spend my time dancing, that's why I paid to come after all! But it is perhaps a necessary outlet. It is my belief that it needs to be further monitored to a point since it is my believe also that if not for this expression, it may come out in worse ways such as more of the couples leaving the designated area to be alone and possibly create moral dilemmas.
Educational Responsibility
In this age of accountability, state standards, data collection, teacher reflection, and rapidly changing technological literacy is it really that important to have school dances? I have yet to see any state standards that include the words "Students will have the ability to identify and describe awesome dance moves."
Prom seems reasonable as a celebration of 3 or 4 years work, but teachers have enough on their plates. Let's focus on why we have schools and cut what doesn't work. Unless you are assessing their grinding and groping as an kinesthetic expression of, say, the War of 1812 get rid of it.
Not even a real question.
Not even a real question. Absolutely monitor and control!
Allowing teen boys to rub their genitals on the rear end of a teen girl, while the other boys are watching like lions watch their next meal, has some bad stuff brewing. In some cases I've heard (and seen) boys just grab on some girl and grind on her as if he was entitled to assault any female in his range. Complaints from the girls pretty much say that too often young males are not really young men but selfish boys who still need to mature - although many men never grow out of this stage(women suffer from this too). The safe outlet and alternative to avoid this destructive sex play has always been directed activities to burn up that energy.
Great help for administrators wrestling with dance behavior
There is a free web site to help sort out and share ideas for administrators faced with the challenges of staging a school dance these days. Check it out....it has a do not play list, preferred play list and directory of responsible DJs in your area. www.schooldancenetwork.com
Ric
Active Supervision is Key
I chaperone dances all the time, and I am one of the few teachers that will get on the dance floor and regulate behavior. I use humor to get them to chill their moves. I tell them that they can only get as low as my knees will go...and I demonstrate. They usually get a kick out of that. If I see a young man and young woman creating too much friction, I usually go up to the lady and tell her that the gentleman doesn't like it when you rub against him like that. They laugh and get the hint. And I always tell the females to "BE A LADY." These kids just need reminding, and it is our job to be the voice in their heads until they are able to do it themselves. The biggest problem I see is most adults assume nothing can be done...so they do nothing, and then these young people never hear or see appropriate models of behavior. Do I have to tell some of them more than once...sure, but they know Mrs. CJ is on the floor and she will come around and bust a move with them and remind them of how to dance and have a good time with dignity!
dirty dancing
I don't believe it is totally "shocking" to us when students imitate adults- in any way. Today it's almost an "anything goes" policy in schools.
Admins hands are tied by boards and parents etc.
Morals and values are culturally different so on.
So where do you draw the line?...further and further until someone is having sex on the dance floor and you cry out that is outrageous behavior! Why didn't someone stop them?
Get into reality and educators please step up and do something.
Would you let someone choke? Would you let someone take drugs in front of you. Would you let someone bully another student?
Maybe you would say well maybe.... then maybe think about if you should really be an educator.