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I have a 7th grader whom is a honor roll student and has been since I could remember. How much abuse from other children does he need to take. Before he snaps. My son and myself have spoken to school about such incidents that others have done to him. hitting kicking bathroom brawls and perverted innuendos.Then one day someone said something perverted and he punched the boy. My son ends up with a ISS and the other child received nothing. After we pre warned school of the incidents weeks prior. I feel that the good children get punished while the bad students get no punishment what so ever. I think parents are to blame. I also have a child with an I.E.P and like I said to the school just because some of these children are special that doesn't mean they shouldn't have to follow rules. My daughter does and will follow rules and definitely will take the consequences for her actions if that ever happens. I agree on punishments my son did serve his iss but I feel it was unfair and I feel that the school needs to punish the one whom are causing the issues. I also feel that children have a right to defend them selfs . My son has dealt with this for 5 years he finally had enough. Then he trys to get them to stop and he gets into trouble.I have one more question, Does a 1 day in school suspension go on a childs record...
I agree with your assessment that the workload is way too heavy and the class size is way too big for many students to get the help they need. I'm assuming it's just your frustration that makes you say "if a parent can't sit with their child in school, then that child should be taken from the parent." This statement is ridiculous for most parents. I had to take a job to pay our rent and buy uniforms and special shoes and the right color of bookbag and on and on and on. If I sit with my children in a classroom, I will lose my job, thereby losing my home, losing money for clothing that if my child doesn't wear to school they get suspended. My school does not have in school suspension, so they just send the children home for every little thing. My son got sick at the cafeteria, and was in the bathroom when the bell rang, he got suspended for being tardy. So no, I do not have time to sit with my children, but I will do everything else possible to help them succeed. Unless the school wants to pay me to be a classroom aide, then I can quit my job and sit in a classroom all day.
How come your kid has ADHD type behaviors and at the same time its a "doll at home"?
From my experience as teacher at various levels in Engineering Education, I personally feel that too much politicking is there and slowly teaching and education has become more strenuous and stressful than any other field of public service.
Parents irresponsibility in dealing and training their children and their careless attitude in a democratic set up is putting too much responsibility and onus on all Educational Institutions and their managements.
Only way out for these institutions is to train the Managements of these institutions to be "politically and legally correct" in applying the rules of discipline in these schools. Also conduct staff training programmes in "politically and legally correct" ways of correcting and conditioning a student in the class and the school.
Very sensitive and complex issue indeed. Running an Educational Institution in the present legal, political and social set up is a real challenge.
Guys! Better realise that "Parents have no real control on their children". Except giving birth and pay fees and give all demanded facilities, they cannot demand back any respect for their services extended by them to their kids. Forget that they can help us in this endevour. They are more a problem than a solution. Donot involve them in drawing up solutions for these problems.
I have great sympathy for your situation with your child's education, however, what you are not considering (at least in your post) is the education of the other students in your son's class. It is the right of the other studetns to receive an education free of distractions just as it is the right of the teacher to teach. With such a severe ADHD disorder, can your son function in a day of in school suspension? Also, does your son have an IEP that reflects his behavioral handicap?
I am doing some research on programs that can replace of oss. I agree with what you said about iss being a wadte unless you are teaching a skill. Can you point me in the direction of some good programming or information????
My son has ADHD type behaviors. He is an absolute doll at home, but put him in a classroom with 25 other kids and Bart Simpson emerges! Yes he is the dreaded class clown.
He has been suspended 2 times this year in 8th grade for silly stuff. His school has a 'ladder' system and once you reach so may refferals you are suspended. It does not matter that the refferals are for chewing gum or talking too much or rough housing with his friends in the hallway. Suspended. Of course this has destroyed his grades and his self esteem and given his abusive and harrassing dad another excuse to file a motion for change of custody.
Some schools are completely out of touch with reality and what suspension should really be for. My son has never hurt anyone or done anything criminal or damaging. ISS would be fine. You cannot punish impulsivity or hyperactivity out of a kid. They need time to grow into themselves and suspending only sets them up for failure.
The fact that kids are not caring for OSS or ISS means that there should be a new method for making them relize that the road they're going down isn't a good one. My opinion on this is that SCARED STRAIT should be put back into schools. If we gave it a second chance it could probably work more effectively than ISS or OSS. Also the fact that schools have OSS means that they only give we (the students) more time to turn in assinments and to goof off even more. ALL schools just need to get rid of the suspinsions.
I have been suspended from my school 5 times (I am not proud of this) all 5 times was a holiday only 1 time was I given work to do and was never asked for that completed work when I returned and the other times I simply was not given any reason for my suspentions was 1 for fighting 1 for letting of a flare in school grounds one for bringing a knife to school (it was a small fruit knife and was simply used to cut a mango)and once for adding videoes of school yard activities on youtube (No fights ECT) now that one or the youtube videoes I was suspended for 4 weeks. during these 4 weeks I spent the time sleeping and watching TV (My dad had taken away my computer lol) and this realy was no punishment to me so here is what happens pretty much
Drag your self out of bed dreading the fact you have to go to school. arive at school for anouther boring day. Principal takes you to his ofice and informs you that you are being suspended for the videoes you made. 4 week holiday
I am a teacher of students with special needs, and I'm a parent of a student who is often in trouble in school (and has had OSS!). Regarding OSS, there are times when there aren't a lot of other options available to principals, especially with regards to dangerous behaviors. Trust me, my son's one suspension was not a holiday or day off for him: what happens at home for suspension is up to the parents - how kids will view suspension, etc. often reflects how parents feel about it. Having said that, it is not a realistic punishment for the majority of American families who have either one parent only (and he/she works) or two parents who work - who's getting punished? The same is true of Saturday school (though in theory it's a great idea).
In my opinion (which I have learned doesn't mean a whole lot) OSS should only be used in the case of DANGEROUS students as was mentioned by another person, above. But what is suspension doing to change the situation? It may work to temporarily remove the danger from school, but it is certainly not a long-term solution. Kristi in Virginia